Comments on: Cheap Certified Scrum Master Training http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/ Frank Carver's musings about software and life Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:15:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DBrummitt http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-3918 DBrummitt Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:15:12 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-3918 Scrum.org founded by Ken Schwaber, who is also the founder and former CEO of the Scrum Alliance offers a certification test called the Professional Scrum Master (levels 1 and 2). The main differences appear to be that you don't have the tie-in of the $1200 course that you see with Scrum Alliance. At Scrum.org, you can just pay to take the test. Another major difference is that you must score at least between 85-90%, depending on the test. Where as with Scrum Alliance, you just pay the course fee and you get a certificate. Based on my research there is no difference in the materials covered in the certification test, only the presentation of materials. I would love to hear from a Scrum Alliance rep confirming or refuting this. I am less concerned with which organization has the largest market share. I AM concerned a quantitative review of materials covered under each certification program. Scrum.org founded by Ken Schwaber, who is also the founder and former CEO of the Scrum Alliance offers a certification test called the Professional Scrum Master (levels 1 and 2). The main differences appear to be that you don’t have the tie-in of the $1200 course that you see with Scrum Alliance. At Scrum.org, you can just pay to take the test. Another major difference is that you must score at least between 85-90%, depending on the test. Where as with Scrum Alliance, you just pay the course fee and you get a certificate. Based on my research there is no difference in the materials covered in the certification test, only the presentation of materials. I would love to hear from a Scrum Alliance rep confirming or refuting this. I am less concerned with which organization has the largest market share. I AM concerned a quantitative review of materials covered under each certification program.

]]> By: Peter Berridge http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2609 Peter Berridge Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:22:13 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-2609 I would love to get CSM status but like Claire, there is no way i can afford the current course rates. I was obviously to late for WelfareCSM but does anyone else know where i could get trained and Certified cheap for the unemployed? I would love to get CSM status but like Claire, there is no way i can afford the current course rates. I was obviously to late for WelfareCSM but does anyone else know where i could get trained and Certified cheap for the unemployed?

]]> By: Claire Young http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2606 Claire Young Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:40:11 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-2606 Now that Welfare CSM is no more, are there any ideas for low-cost scrum-master certifications? There does not appear to actually be any CSM scholarship information available on the scrum alliance site. $2K for training is not in the budget for many. Now that Welfare CSM is no more, are there any ideas for low-cost scrum-master certifications? There does not appear to actually be any CSM scholarship information available on the scrum alliance site. $2K for training is not in the budget for many.

]]> By: Tobias Mayer http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2213 Tobias Mayer Mon, 18 May 2009 11:16:26 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-2213 For me, Scrum certification is simply a starting point for a personal journey towards better ways of working. I encourage people to adapt the ideas to suit context /while respecting the core principles and practices/. Scrum is like chess, many strategies but bound by some very simple rules. Create your own strategies, for sure, but you can't break the rules, or there is no game. Hope to see you in Brighton :-) For me, Scrum certification is simply a starting point for a personal journey towards better ways of working. I encourage people to adapt the ideas to suit context /while respecting the core principles and practices/. Scrum is like chess, many strategies but bound by some very simple rules. Create your own strategies, for sure, but you can’t break the rules, or there is no game.

Hope to see you in Brighton :-)

]]> By: Frank http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 Frank Mon, 18 May 2009 09:49:16 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-2212 I guess my point was not really to contrast Scrum and XP - I'm happy that they address different issues. The main difference for me is the emphasis on <b>certification</b> and the potential limiting effects this may have on teams' freedom to adapt, customise and experiment. In my exprience, other forms of project management certification (such as <a href="http://www.prince2.com/" rel="nofollow">PRINCE 2</a>) have certainly had such an effect. The "other implementable ideas" from this point of view are the myriad of subtly different but broadly agile processes adapted (and continuing to adapt) to suit particular situations. All of this doesn't stop me being tempted to go for the cert myself, though :) The tough bit for me would be finding someone not in the software business who would consider the expense and time of travel to Brighton worthwhile. I guess my point was not really to contrast Scrum and XP – I’m happy that they address different issues. The main difference for me is the emphasis on certification and the potential limiting effects this may have on teams’ freedom to adapt, customise and experiment.

In my exprience, other forms of project management certification (such as PRINCE 2) have certainly had such an effect.

The “other implementable ideas” from this point of view are the myriad of subtly different but broadly agile processes adapted (and continuing to adapt) to suit particular situations.

All of this doesn’t stop me being tempted to go for the cert myself, though :) The tough bit for me would be finding someone not in the software business who would consider the expense and time of travel to Brighton worthwhile.

]]> By: Tobias Mayer http://blog.punchbarrel.com/2009/05/15/cheap-certified-scrum-master-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2211 Tobias Mayer Mon, 18 May 2009 09:07:13 +0000 http://blog.punchbarrel.com/?p=1317#comment-2211 Hi Frank, Thanks for mentioning WelfareCSM. I don't feel Scrum (i.e. the Scrum Alliance) is battling with anyone for mind-share. I know I am not. Good Scrum implementations use most of the XP practices, and all good Scrum trainers will recommend those practices. But then, apart from Scrum and XP what other implementable ideas are out there in the Agile world? That's a serious question. Hi Frank,
Thanks for mentioning WelfareCSM. I don’t feel Scrum (i.e. the Scrum Alliance) is battling with anyone for mind-share. I know I am not. Good Scrum implementations use most of the XP practices, and all good Scrum trainers will recommend those practices. But then, apart from Scrum and XP what other implementable ideas are out there in the Agile world? That’s a serious question.

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